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that -- this is typically how it's happening, a separate page what pg&e characterizes as third party charges and those are the city and county of san francisco charges to the customer. >> and how long does pg&e have the ability to charge that fee into the program? >> it's not clear. that gets revisited on a regular basis by the california public utilities commission. >> okay. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> excuse me. i'm sorry. i have a follow up on that as well. is there a way -- i know we will talk at some point after -- it's separate, but the local build out conversation, and in the financing of that, and i'm actually at some point i think it would be have to have a lafco joint meeting that talks specifically about the financing of local build out and it's not on the agenda today, but perhaps one of the things that could be looked at is exactly what we're talking about here -- i don't know, fee structure, and if there is local generation that occurs that perhaps there is a conversation or some work that looks at those pg&e fees, and since it's really no longer going to be a pg&e provided ser

of 2013 we will know what shape the program that pg&e has proposed has been authorized by the cupuc. pg&e would then as i understand it from their filings need to go through a solicitation process to hire a third party contractor to perform the program implementation and we're thinking it would probably be a tariffed and ready program by maybe around february of 2014. that's all very tentative at this point because as i say it sorts of makes assumptions how that process is going to go with the cupuc, but at this point they're anticipating settlement and proposed decision. >> ms. hale could you elaborate about the code of conduct? what are the elements of that? if you could summarize what is before the puc with that? >> i can and we have city attorney here who is also familiar with this and perhaps could fill in some of the gaps for me. the code of conduct largely came out of the -- the law that created the code of conduct requirement came out of the experience that pg&e and marin energy had when marin energy launched its program so the code of conduct puts certain restrictions on both

survey. >> do we have on the slide, you know, estimate of what pg&e exit fee would be? is that included in the slide and the figures here? >> so exit fee. so any customer -- any customer that stays with the program after the first two opt out notices -- let me back up. if you don't want to be part of the cleanpower sf program and you tell us that there is no departure charge that a customer incurs that we are charging. after the program is launched if you then decide -- oh i got my first cleanpower sf bill. i don't want to be part of this program. we are still as the city saying there is no charge to depart from the program at that point. pg&e doesn't have a fee to exit the program during that portion of the time either. >> they don't have a fee that charge it's. >> the fee that we do include and maybe what you're referring to is the cost responsibility surcharge where if a customer leaves pg&e's bundedel service and comes to a cca pg&e will take a portion of the fees they used to charge that customer and those fees will follow the customer so the bill premiums that i am showing h

. >> reporter: it was controversial. the cpuc deciding who would pay what for pipeline improvements. pg&e or customers. it turns out both parties will be paying and rates will increase in the aftermath of the deadly san bruno pipeline blast and fire on september 9, 2010, which killed 8 people, injured 66 and destroyed dozens of homes of. the cpuc is ruling on pg&e's enhanced safety guidelines today a plan to improve its pipeline infrastructure. the repairs will cost over $2 billion and require pg&e to test hundreds of miles of pipeline, replace old pipe segments and automate safety valves. the cpuc says of the $2 billion needed for the work, ratepayers will pay $299 million. the mayor of san bruno and several utility watchdog groups say pg&e will be making a profit on this work. >> today you set a precedent. do you allow a utility responsible for the deaths of eight citizens, friends, and family, to profit as a direct result of that tragedy? >> commissioners, i urge you to approve judge bushy's decision to make sure pg&e pays its fair share of pipeline testing and replacement. on the wh

that it was more even between what we're able to do and what we have already on the books and what pg&e is offering to do, so i wouldn't say that it was strongly deemphasized but a lot of meat was in one recommendation about cca, and it really has far reaching implications and certainly it's discussed within other recommendations even if it doesn't get top billing in that recommendation. >> you said that came from the mayor's office? >> it was -- in conversation with the mayor's office as well as other task force members. >> okay. so maybe you could sort of shed more light on that, so was there a directive from the mayor's office to not emphasize as much community choice aggregation? >> no. there is not a directive from him. they reviewed the draft and in our discussions with them they had concern -- as you know the mayor had concern with cca, and what they did request from us that we only make sure that the wording when we discuss cca was this a possibility and not a done deal at this point to have this program which was the case back at that point in early september. >> has there been a follow

to be a mixed hybrid program? >> the pg & e tariff option, i assume that's what you are talking about. what they have proposed and put before the california puc for approval is alliance on their resources compliant with the renewal portfolio standard for about 22% i think by then. of their portfolio being california compliant renewables. and the balance will be renewable energy credits. so that distinguishes, it's a mix. in that some of the renewables they are proposing are california compliant and some of them are not. >> okay. i guess i will wait until january. >> well -- so i may have confused you with what i had said. in january what pg & e is going to be doing is implementing new rates for all of their customers. it won't be the green tariff option yet. that's still before the california utility commission. they don't have approval for that program yet, maybe until july or so. so january is a standard rate change that pg & e is implementing. >> any comments? >> thank you. >> so the next item is todd rydstrom on the mid-cycle bi-annual budget priorities. >> i do have a question, a comme

&e will still make money. >> pg&e will profit, make money, $130 million because of what happened in san bernadino and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. >> the rate hike is about 40% of what pg&e had requested. >>> in federal court a key hearing on a precedent setting case about medical marijuana. what's next. >>> you can't freeze -- >> parents outraged this student without heat for days in one school. what the district admits it did that left children a little too cold in school. sent a firefighter to the hospitalful the fire was reported at 5:30 a three story building on broad street in the ocean view neighborhood. we are told the firefighter suffered smoke inhalationful nobody else was hurt. the red cross is hoping some of the 25 -- helping some of the 25 residents alert. >> after an armed robbery there. police say that a woman was held up at sun valley mall last night in the parking lot near may macy's just before 7:30. she gave the robber her credit card. he pushed her to the ground. he was driving an older model light colored small car. the federal government crack down on med

will cost all of us more in a few days. >> reporter: it is a lot of money but less than what pg&e asked for. >> only 299 million or 39% of the amount that pg&e requested. >> reporter: with that public utilities commission will replace hundreds of miles of major gas pipelines. >> the plan will set a new standard for how we define safe and reliable service. >> reporter: the improvements will allow pg&e to make big money. >> they will make money. $130million because of what happened in san bruno and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. >> they blew up our town, killed 8 people and they are giving them a profit on what they should have done a long time ago. >> 100 years ago they controlled the p.u.c., ran california. today it looks like pg&e is running the p.u.c. >> reporter: what does that mean for you? the average bill will go up 88 cents a month next year, followed by $1.36 a month the next year. >> our plan sought out to simply meet new standards put forward by the c. p.u.c. >> reporter: with upgrade rural mains are next and that will cost more, that will come up at 6:00 p.m., consumer edi

to bring the rates down with clean power sf so they can be brought into parity with what pg&e is charging right now, and then a further iteration just recently came out in our last meeting on the build out work is that local power has recommended not only doing that, but also to -- has configured a way to keep those same ways that pg&e or roughly the same and get to the 100% and buying them like the county of marin has done so i encourage environment staff to dig deep into what local power is working with the local puc and there is one caution i would like to raise and that is when local power came forward some of the environmentalists in the room we were a little bit -- even though what they're doing is great and will compete with pg&e's 100% green option we need not to focus so much on purchasing. i think what we should do is change the 100% 2020 goal to locally produced energy from facilities beyond that date. >> thank you. next speaker please. >> hello commissioners. my name is paul congressmanus and part of. >> >> bon hundred% solar. there is a way to get to one heard% -- 100% a

. >> thank you through the chair do we know what the pg&e premium is likely to be for their green offering. >> in their initial proposal it was stated if memory serves me at not more than 2 cents -- 2.5 cents over what they currently charge customers b again that is a proposal. it will go through the cupuc process and may change. >> when you say 2.5 cents is that literally -- like the $21.97 would go to $21.99? >> harlan kelly, general manager, so it's about $6 per month versus 11-dollar premium that we have equivalent to $6. >> yes, and that's for -- that's reflective for the cost difference between providing a renewable energy credit versus firmed and shaped renewable power, so it's the product difference that is embedded in that price difference which goes to commissioner olague's statement that people need to understand the value behind what the price premium is addressing. >> and credit that pg&e can purchase rather than generate the clean power themselves . correct. >> correct. >> and we limit that component to 5% of the overall portfolio. >> thank you. commissioner moran any other

that pays pg&e for kilowatt hours that are provided to the customer. there is no relationship between what the customer consumes in terms of the portfolio serving that customer and the cost responsibility surcharge. it's sort of an over hang cost pg&e is allowed to charge to make sure the customers that stay for pg&e pay for cost it incurred on behalf of customers that left. >> commissioner olague. >> yeah, i guess -- it reminded me of pass throughs and tenants get charged sometimes for the increases and fees that the landlords have and i wonder how that worked ultimately but you kind of answered. >> okay. >> -- what i was thinking, but i guess i am concerned a little bit -- of course we want to definitely inform customers about these increases and rates that would result as part of this clean power shift, but i think -- i guess at some point i would be interested in understanding how that is going to be marketed or what language or what script would be used, because ultimately the goal isn't so much related to, you know, -- well, i have to be careful how i say this i guess, but i guess t

, what you are putting together is good. but we have an issue that commissioner caen raised, pg & e is going to roll out their green program at a $6 premium. and it's lower than the 10-20. and hearing the comments from us and staff, local power developed a new model based on its previous models. that model will use renewable energy credits at the same level they are used in morion county. and something that environmentalists weren't thrilled about using credits. however local power has worked credits and worked through hetch hetchy power sold outside of the city. what it's showing now that we can do the build-out of several hundred megawatts in the first years. and hire 27 workers a year, i think that's total job, i don't know about direct jobs. probably several hundred direct jobs. and it will also using the renewable energy credits actually be able to roll out this entire program. as we originally envisioned several years ago. to get to large-scale local renewab renewables, and to offer all customers in five years, 100% green, just like pg & e will offer. but at the same rates tha

are you cooperating with each other to address multi (inaudible). >> what we produce at pg&e we are very aware what's expected of us. we serve a huge part of central and northern california so while we're talking to a great extent about san francisco today, most of the activity is very regionally based and most of the energy that comes into san francisco is piped in from other places so we have to look at everything from a regional perspective. in terms of what we're doing with our infrastructure, we look at many risks to our systems to improve their reliability, both gas and electric. while we talk about earthquakes quite a bit, we look more at ground movement in general, whether it be earthquake related, land slide related, but in terms of our reliability all those risks are looked at and there's on-going efforts to increase the reliability of both the electric system and the gas system throughout the san francisco area and through the northern and system part of our state. we have hundreds of millions of dollars of pipeline replacement happening which is a major risk in a major eart

vote gives pg&e a big rate increase what. is your share of an upgrade is going to be. >> i'm sandhya patel. live doppler 7 hd, tracking the storm, rain is moving in. winds picking up. i'll have the timing. system and how this will affect your holiday travels coming up. >> new fall out from the school tragedy. leaders proposing a citywide crack down on fires. >> the city of oakland goes to bat fr a local pot club facing eviction, challenging a federal crack down with >> the san bruin yes pipeline explosion, it wasn't sure fault, but you'll have to pay your share to make sure this doesn't happen again. >> the decision means your bill is going to go up, tonight a lot of people are furious. abc 7 news is live in san bruno tonight with the story. this is what critics of pg&e were fighting against. >> well, originally, pg&e wanted customers to pay the entire bill of the multi billion dollar upgrade. the public utilities fk go that . customers will pay foremost of the repairs and upgrades as a result of the explosion that killed eight people, including renee's daughter. >> i can't bear to

and stick it back in. circuit break /-rs this is what most have. you have the meter. that's how pg and e /khrarpblgs us. you have the big main. usually there are 60 or a hundred or 50. the little guys are 20-15-30. if you want to shut off the power you shut off the little guys first than the main. when you throw a switch there is the arch. like water when water flows in an old house any you shut it off quick you get the hammer effect? that's like electricity. is it safe to do it if you smell natural gas? show of hands. >> nobody has their hands up. it's not safe to flicking any switches if you smell natural gas. how about if there is smoke coming out of an outlet. if you shut this off in an area where there is no gas, good idea. >> just about anything can be a hazardous material, cleaners, solvants, hair products anything can be hazardous. they are every where. the only time they are hazardous if they are misused our there is a disaster. do you see these in san francisco? that's probably propane. we have a port. in an industrial area. it identified where they are stored. are there haz

. >> a little tough to compete with the deacon. we don't even try. >> i got to ask you. what's your peing peing pg&e bill? >> i don't tell anyone. i can guarantee you , i am sitting down when i open the bill. but if anybody wants to pay it, we'll trade. [ laughter ] >> reporter: they have set up the only industrial transformer in a residential neighborhood to keep the power on for the rest of the neighbors! the display is open every night till 9:00 at night. and on the weekends till 10:00 pm, and it closes new year's eve at midnight. >> to the untrained eye, deacon dave is throwing down quite a show there. but i can tell he's pretty green! because a lot of that is l. e. d.! >> reporter: he's definitely keeping up with the times. >> well, god bless you, deacon. [ laughter ] >>> the music world is mourning bay area jazz man dave brubeck tonight, a day shy of his naekd birth -- 92nd birthday. ♪ [ music ] ♪ >> he was born in concord and found his sound at mills college. ♪ [ music ] ♪ >> reporter: dave brubeck's music was a defining sound of jazz clubs in the 50 -- '50s and '60s. >> are t

the rating sims, what's in pg and pg-13 are pretty violent. i think we just have a culture we need to address in its totality if we're going to take people who are clearly mentally ill and try to give them help earlier. i thought charles crowdhammer, who is a psychiatrist, had a point, where it's harder to commit someone for treatment today because it does interfere with certain privacy rights, but yet here we have this is nutty people with huge firearms and a culture that desensitizes people to mass killings, and i think all of those things have to be on the table. >> you're putting everything on the table including clips. thank you, senator. >>> the great holiday getaway is under way. where the trouble spots are today, and members of the senate come together in honolulu. they're remembering the great senator inouye. next. >>> time for your business entrepreneur of the week. they started north carolina-based footsteps clothing which had a booming christmas theme pajama line. not wanting to be judd a seasonal business, they added owl holidays and eventually items that celebration family life.

. but what irks many is that the improvements will allow pg & e to profit, make money. >> pg & e will profit because of what happened to san bruno and they should not be allowed to do so. >> they blew up our town, they killed eight people and the commission today is giving them a profit on the rebuilding on what should have been doing a long time ago. >> 100 years ago southern pacific controlled the puc, they ran california, today it looks like pg & e is running the puc. >> reporter: what does that mean in dollars and cents for you, the average bill will go up 88-cents a month next year. followed by 1.36 a month the year after that. >> what our commission sought out to do was to simply meet new standard put forward by the cpuc that's why we had requested the rate payer financing. >> reporter: rural mains are next and that's going to cost a lot more. i'm consumer editor tom vacar, channel 2 news. >>> 12 california hospitals were fined today by the state's department of public health for failures that caused or were likely to cause serious injury or even death to patients. in the bay area kai

: but with that commissioners say that pg & e will test and recheck pipelines. but what irks many is that the improvements will allow pg & e to profit, make money. >> pg & e will profit because of what happened to san bruno and they should not be allowed to do so. >> they blew up our town, they killed eight people and the commission today is giving them a profit on the rebuilding on what should have been doing a long time ago. >> 100 years ago southern pacific controlled the puc, they ran california, today it looks like pg & e is running the puc. >> reporter: what does that mean in dollars and cents for you, the average bill will go up 88-cents a month next year. followed by 1.36 a month the year after that. >> what our commission sought out to do was to simply meet new standard put forward by the cpuc that's why we had requested the rate payer financing. >> reporter: rural mains are next and that's going to cost a lot more. i'm consumer editor tom vacar, channel 2 news. >>> 12 california hospitals were fined today by the state's department of public health for failures that caused or were likely to caus

out to get to those concerns about talking about what commissioner torres raised in the code of conduct with pg&e. we saw during the 2010 prop 16 attack on the clean energy programs and community choice in california that it didn't matter that pg&e didn't use rate payer funds they were able to argue that entire $46 million plus campaign was funded by their stockholders, so they are going to run a multi-million dollar robust campaign in san francisco against this program, and it looks like their plan to roll out the 100% green project hits about the same time we roll this out at the end of 2013. i think that's the timeline for them, and it's very important to note that if we go forward prematurely with a marketing plan that is not based on good robust outreach to people of color, low income communities, people of different languag seniors and also based on the 10, 11-dollar premium w pg&e electric is offering $6 the consumer is not going to understand and yeah that is cheaper but ours is better and to the consumer that is coke and pepsi and coke is six bucks and we cost 11 bu

and how systems should perform in an earthquake? >> i'll go ahead and talk about pg&e. i would say first off we've designed our own standards for what should happen in an earthquake or any other major emergency. our electric system is designed to worry about trees and wind and rain, which is what we see the most of, and tends to be the most damaging, but we have our own standards and our own expectations in terms of what our system should be able to withstand. add david pointed out, the risk is that an event will occur that is greater than what you have prepared for. that's always a possibility. in terms of working with others i think the important part is to make sure you understand what everyone is relying on you for. so it really comes back it an issue of priorities. what's going to come back first, what's going to come back second. for pg&e we always worry about bringing electrical generation back, those are done in conjunction with our gas and electric together. most of the power plants in california are fed natural gas, you need to get the gas back up before you get the pow

in antioch. this is what the to the lot looked like after it burned in september, it was an arson fire some people are in custody. this park was built in 2006 by pg&e volunteers the damage estimate $250,000 the city had insurance a group called tack take antioch set out to rise the 10% deductible or $25,000. >> to the lot replaced. i would like to see the city step up a little, put in a motion activated camera with upgraded lighting see if they can help improve the park. >> originally, when the park was constructed it was pg&e volunteers that helped build the park with community members. when we received information about what happened here, we wanted to be able to come back and help restore it. >> reporter: they raised $8500, pg&e got here and said we'll give you 2,000 more. -- then the assemblyman, next thing voila! that park has all the money it needs to come all the way back. fantastic christmas story mean if it is two days late. terry mcsweeney, abc7 news. >>> still ahead, president obama arrives back in washington after cutting short his vacation the chilly political climate he's retu

right now. it was evacuated earlier this afternoon when shoppers smelled what they thought was gas. pg&e showed up and determined it wasn't gas. hazmat is still trying to figure out the source. >>> a family christmas party this alameda won't be fondly remembered in the coming years. a fight broke out. a 42-year-old woman at the apparent used a box cutter to injure three of her family members. it happened in an apartment on willie star gill avenue. the woman was arrested. >>> caltrain commuters face big delays. some trains were delayed for more than an hour. caltrain blamed the signalling problem and switched to backup software. trains are back on time now. >>> hospitals are running out of some cancer drugs for children. a new report spells out just how dangerous that is for the patients. >> then too good to be true. the overstated mileage estimates some automakers are admitting to. and the push to make sure they're more accurate. ,, ,,,,,,,,,,,, were shot and killed while responding to a fire on christmas eve. >>> in webster new york funerals are scheduled for the two volunteer firefig

a half mile segment closed all day long for some significant pg&e repairs. people know what kind of trouble a big, wet storm can bring and have been preparing all week. >> linda is ready to hand out kits, outside people have been stocking up on sand bags all week. >> we're always ready to roll. and this time of the year this october, we've been here seven days per week. >> highway 9 closed when a tree took down lines and a pole. pg&e bus kbree -- busy with the same story. lines downed by falling tree autos we can handle a lot. people are accustomed to it. you have new people. >> the shop, shop and get it store is right there. he kept lights on with the generator. >> but the best thing we can do is make sure water is running up the best it can. that is about it. not much a person can do. usually redwoods are fine. it's douglas fir that's get old. >> in boulder creek, locals checked out the river. carey lynn says you can see the riverbanks yesterday. >> look nat. >> yes. my gain gauge is one of those tiny rain gauges you know? this morning it was two. it's still raining. >> you tak

to be suspicious. take a look now, huge scene still here, pg&e involved, heavy equipment, here's what happened. i talked to the homeowner who got out safely he said he doesn't know about any kind of meth lab in his home. the two people wholy here are his tenants they were taken to the hospital police are talking to them. the homeowner told me they suffered from smoke inhalation. when firefighters got here the fire was huge before 1:00 this morning it was moving so fast they had suspicions, it seemed like it was accelerating quickly. they were also suspicious, because the gas main caught fire that's why pg&e is here it happened at shut-off they had to dig up the street to get in and shut it off. firefighters say this could be because the people here were bypassing the gas and electric meters. one more thing for them to investigate. >> that's why the arson team is here, trying to figure out what happened this is all new, they say right now, it is under investigation. two people taken to the hospital, we don't know their condition. the homeowner told me he thinks they inhaled smoke. all firefighters

others i think the important part is to make sure you understand what everyone is relying on you for. so it really comes back it an issue of priorities. what's going to come back first, what's going to come back second. for pg&e we always worry about bringing electrical generation back, those are done in conjunction with our gas and electric together. most of the power plants in california are fed natural gas, you need to get the gas back up before you get the power plant back up if you have damage to both. we do have standards for all that activity in terms of our engineering design. the trick is for us to sit out there and talk with all the different regional areas including san francisco and make sure we understand how we're going to work together in the event we have an event that takes our services out or is greater than what we're actually expecting and that's the challenge for all of us, all the service providers, is working together to figure out how to make that happen. >> mr. boland. >> this is where we fit into that link. we represent the utilities that protect a

is seeing the lights of the bay bridge and lights of the city. >> cal tran and pg&e and nobody knows what caused the outage. >> we've learned that some detectives took an unusual piece of evidence from the apartment of a murder suspect. that suspect is one of five people arrested after a man and woman were found tied up, gagged on a san francisco street. cbs 5 reporter linda yee takes us to that apartment. >> reporter: four women and one man were arrested in a case that even baffles police. >> this is a crime you see in movies. it's certainly disturbing when you find a crime of that nature. >> reporter: sunday evening a man and woman bound on the street. they were tied up, gagged, beaten, one was shot and dumped here. investigators however would not elaborate on the motive. the male victim eventually died. an 18-year-old wool remains in the hospital with serious injuries. investigators tracked down the suspects to a home in hercules. >> there was an extensive relationship between the victims and the suspects. i can't get into what those relationships are. >> reporter: one of the murder su

out to help. >> we have a special check. what did you bring? >> on behalf of pg&e and our volunteers we wanted to share with you this ceremonial check for $125,000 representing our contribution to the "food for bay area families." >> thank you very much. thank you so much for both of you coming down. that means a lot to you, sherri? >> thank you so much on behalf of the food bank in the san francisco and marin county food banks, we're so grateful for what you've done. this is such a generous gift. >> if you would like to donate at home, go to our website, cbssf.com/food. click on "food for bay area families" and you can share if you would like to do that. that's the latest from here. >>> coming up at noon, a simple way to boost your brain power allegedly by 50%. >> i know. i should have done this earlier. why it could be as simple as going outside. >> that's suspicious. ,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, component in vaccines. tive >>> in today's healthwatch, the american academy of pediatrics is endorsing the use of a controversial component in vaccines. the preservative contains mercury. criti

: what does that mean for you? the average pg&e bill will go up 88 cents a month next year. $1.36 the year after that. but this covers only urban pipelines, not the rural lines. >> just the first phase. the second phase is 6-$9 billion. we will fight over that one in the near future. >> you are paying for it. tom vacar, ktvu channel 2 news. >> we tweeted out rate news, follow ktvu on twitter for news 24 hours of the day. >>> oracle is purchasing a company for $870 million. known for performance management software. oracle says the buy will boost its cloud base services. >>> $200,000 in fines. the deadly mistakes hospitals made to earn this penalty. >> you got to make a choice between buying toys or paying bills. hard choice. >> why some families won't have to make that choice. >> first a ban on bullets and a warning to police when you stock up on ammo. the plans from one mayor. and the back lash in three minutes. ?Ñ >>> new at 6:00 p.m., a new plan to tackle gun violence. tackling ammo and the people who buy it. rob roth is live with the changes that will save lives. rob? >> r

though what they're doing is great and will compete with pg&e's 100% green option we need not to focus so much on purchasing. i think what we should do is change the 100% 2020 goal to locally produced energy from facilities beyond that date. >> thank you. next speaker please. >> hello commissioners. my name is paul congressmanus and part of. >> >> bon hundred% solar. there is a way to get to one heard% -- 100% and ignored in this country by the media so you might not have heard of it. it's a solar payment policy. it requires pg&e to pay 54 cents kilowatt hour to homeowners that put panels on their roo. i know a hundred people in this town that are generating surplus and pg&e is basically stealing this surplus energy at the rate pg&e is paying, so it's simply a policy that the mayor can institute under executive powers, and get around pg&e that way. in germany it's created 400,000 new jobs. it's created $4 billion in cash flow through the economy and making the german economy the strongest in europe and it's the -- it basically is a policy that pays the homeowners so it makes inve

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